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That’s #500 and the ballgame!

 

Jim Thome: In a HR trot toward the Hall of Fame?

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 Craig Wright is
a brilliant analyst
of the game. You
know how that
goes – ‘intelligent’ means that he
agrees with me;
‘brilliant’ means
that I agree with
him but I never
would have thought
of it myself.”

Bill James
Senior Baseball Advisor
Boston Red Sox

 

 

Memories of Jim Thome, Newest Member of the 500 HR Club

 

(Sept-17-2007) Yesterday Jim Thome became the 23rd player to hit 500 homers and the first to do it with a walk-off blast. It’s the kind of occasion that stirs old personal stories about the player. People who saw him play in the minor leagues are remembering that today. There were 14,627 fans who attended the game where Thome hit his first major league home run, and a lot of them are reminding themselves and others that, “You know, I was there for his first homer.”

 

Early in the 1993 season, when I was working for the Dodgers, GM Fred Claire called and told me that the Indians were interested in acquiring Roger McDowell who had come out of the gate strong with a 1.46 ERA and barely had an ERA over three covering the past five seasons. Fred asked me to look at a few specific Cleveland players the Dodger scouts favored, and he asked  me to look for my own recommendations as well.

 

Fred also went through a second list which was a group of untouchables that Cleveland had given him. I was quite surprised to see missing from the Indians' list – and from our list – a young third baseman who had struggled in a 40-game trial with the Indians the year before. In that trial he had hit .205, slugged just .299, and fielded a brutal .882. But I liked him a lot, thought he had been up too early and simply hadn’t been ready yet for the majors. In a report sent on May 4th, I wrote:

 

Without question, of the Cleveland players who haven't been tabbed "untouchable," the player we want to come away with is Jim Thome.

 

First, as a prospect Mike Busch [Dodger 3rd base prospect] has high top end potential but also has a very high risk that he won't ever be worth a damn. This a guy who hit .238 in a hitter's park in AA and then hit .200 in the Arizona League. We need another third base option in our future.

 

Second, we are extremely right-handed in our long term future. Karros, Piazza, Mondesi, Busch, and Ashley are all righties. We need a significant hitting prospect from the left side.

 

Third, Thome is very young and very talented. He is two years younger than Busch and slightly younger than Ashley, yet he is closer to being a major leaguer than either one …. Thome has already hit extremely well at both AA and AAA, which neither of the others has done. In his minor league career Thome now has a .311 BA with a .408 on-base percentage and a .469 slugging percentage. Basically I have just been waiting to see him reduce his strikeout rate in a productive manner. That is, he won't reduce his Ks by reducing his power, but will do it while raising his power (and possibly his average and walks as well.)

 

Fourth, the early signs at Charlotte this year are exactly in that vein. This very well could be Thome's breakthrough year. He has reduced his strikeout rate while increasing his walks, his average, and his power. He still hasn't developed the kind of power I expect him to have in just a few years, but I would not be surprised to see him as a productive regular in the big leagues before this season is over.

 

Fifth, the Indians, particularly Mike Hargrove, are about as down on Thome as they ever will be. That isn't to say they don't like him, but they were not enthused with his performance last year when they thought he was ready. I didn't think he was ready, and he was further handicapped by two significant short-term injuries (strained wrist ligaments and a shoulder strain.) With their pitching shortage, and with their present 3rd base situation being very productive, we are lucky to be in a position where we can offer them McDowell for a third base prospect like Thome.

 

Just a note on Thome's power potential. There have been a lot of hitters who made significant strides in their power in their mid to late 20s. Thome strikes me as that kind of hitter. Besides the potential to hit for a good average, decent power, and get on base a lot, I could see a scenario where he'll eventually be poking over 20 homers to go with it, and that will make him an All-Star. He is a strong kid, 6-4, 220. I've seen him swat at least one prodigious 2nd deck homer.

 

Fred called me shortly after getting that report and asked if I really believed that Thome would develop 20-homer power. That sounds like such a funny question today, but viewed in context, Fred's question was quite reasonable. Going into the 1993 season Thome had hit just 9 homers in his 493 ABs at AA and AAA, and in his major league trials he had hit just 3 homers in 215 ABs. That’s just 12 homers in his 700 ABs above A-ball. I reiterated my belief that Thome had good power potential, and pointed out I expected better than 20-homer power.

 

Now 20+ homers was a lot to talk about back then, which was before the modern home run explosion. In the most recent full season at that time, 1992, the HR% was 2.13%. We crossed the 3% mark in 1998 and have averaged 3.17% since, or about a 50% gain. In modern terms I was essentially saying I expected Thome to develop 30+ home run power. As optimistic as my analysis was, I had no clue we were talking about someone who would develop the monster power he has shown in his career.

 

If I don't address this, I'm sure to get questions on it. I don't know what happened to that possible deal of McDowell for Thome as a young minor leaguer (not quite 22 when I wrote that report). The fact he was not on the list of players recommended to Fred meant my recommendation would likely be swimming upstream. But it is also quite possible that Thome's strong start at AAA convinced the Indians to move him to their untouchable list before Fred could make the deal. 

 

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It's interesting to remember today that Jim started off as a third baseman, and he wasn't a donkey over there. It is true he was very error prone in his first few big league trials making 19 errors in just 67 games, but after I wrote that report he played 425 games at 3rd base in the majors and his fielding percentage was only 3-4 points below the league average, and for his career at 3rd base he fielded more chances cleanly per game than the league average. From 1994 to 1996 he was Cleveland's regular third baseman, and all three years his zone rating was better than the league average. He was moved to first base only after the Indians acquired Gold Glover Matt Williams. I'm not arguing Thome was a great defensive third baseman, but the evidence seems pretty clear he was very capable and could have continued as a regular third baseman for many years if that was the right fit for his team.

 


Would Thome have been as great an offensive player staying at 3rd base? Maybe not, but it is far from a given that there would have been much difference. He was not overmatched by the position. He experienced three breakthrough periods in his development as a hitter and all three came during his time as a third baseman. His two highest batting averages came when he was a regular third baseman (1995-96), and his first big HR year came as a third baseman. In fact, his .612 slugging percentage in 1996 remained his career high for another four years after he moved to first base. Relative to the league, that 1996 SLG% as a third baseman remains the third best mark of his career, behind only 2001 and 2002.

 

It used to be that 500 homers was a lock for the Hall of Fame, but given the offensive inflation that has taken place during Thome’s career, that is starting to lose its “automatic” status. If Thome announced his retirement tomorrow, it would be possible to make an argument that he is not a Hall of Famer. But he is close to being a sure thing, still playing every day, and he just turned 37 a few weeks ago. I certainly think of him as a Hall of Famer.

 

 

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